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	<title>Comments on: My quick review of Ontario&#8217;s much anticipated FIT Review</title>
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		<title>By: Enoch</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2012/03/22/my-quick-review-of-ontarios-much-anticipated-fit-review/comment-page-1/#comment-41546</link>
		<dc:creator>Enoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 22:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People should take their green glasses off, so that they could see what a monumental money waster and job killer in industry these programs are.
This is great for green hustlers, but rising power prices are killing off manufacturing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People should take their green glasses off, so that they could see what a monumental money waster and job killer in industry these programs are.<br />
This is great for green hustlers, but rising power prices are killing off manufacturing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tyler, Great Coles Notes version. I developed an even more abbreviated one primarily focusing on all  the Committees, Task Forces, and Working Groups being proposed to support the development of strategies and eliminate duplication of effort and redundancy ... ironic.

Mike, Thanks for chiming in on who is doing what regarding the infrastructure.  The complexity of the governance and control of the generation, transmission and distribution of electricity throughout Ontario is mind boggling; the average homeowner is typically only aware of their LDC, not MOE, OEB, ESA, OPA, OPG, and the fact that Hydro One is LDC on steroids, since they are also on the transmission side of the infrastructure.  Many are also not aware that most LDCs are structured such that their sole shareholder is the Municipality.

Regarding RFP model vs. FIT:  The fact that as we move forward, prices will be set at contract award vs. project application, pretty much brings us back to the RFP model for project solicitation &amp; development.  The main differences being that there is no competitive bidding process and, barring constraint-related issues, one will be awarded a PPA.  To comment on Mark&#039;s concern, Yes - It is difficult to sell something for which the price has not as of yet been determined.  Developers who have traditionally identified a buyer prior to developing a project will need to revise their business model to be more along the lines of the RFP-era developers.

Speaking on FIT mandate, I believe that FIT is to encourage renewables-based electrical generation project development.  As such, geothermal and/or solar thermal heating and cooling are not part of the programs mandate.  I agree that these types of developments should be similarly encouraged, as they directly contribute through consumption reduction of electricity, oil, natural gas, etc.  But trying to identify the nega-watts in order to develop FIT rates per KWh, though theoretically possible, could prove problematic.

My final spin on the changes being proposed through the Report are that the FIT program is really trying to incentivise Municipalities and communities to address their looming waste management crisis through biomass/biogas/landfill gas-based project development!  Yes, Paul, it&#039;s all for you. How to kill two birds with one stone; not that I advocate the stoning of birds.

P.S. My discussions with Morgan Solar suggest that market potential for their product, based on kWH/sq.m/day, is fair in Ontario, but that there are other markets wherein it is higher on which they are currently focusing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler, Great Coles Notes version. I developed an even more abbreviated one primarily focusing on all  the Committees, Task Forces, and Working Groups being proposed to support the development of strategies and eliminate duplication of effort and redundancy &#8230; ironic.</p>
<p>Mike, Thanks for chiming in on who is doing what regarding the infrastructure.  The complexity of the governance and control of the generation, transmission and distribution of electricity throughout Ontario is mind boggling; the average homeowner is typically only aware of their LDC, not MOE, OEB, ESA, OPA, OPG, and the fact that Hydro One is LDC on steroids, since they are also on the transmission side of the infrastructure.  Many are also not aware that most LDCs are structured such that their sole shareholder is the Municipality.</p>
<p>Regarding RFP model vs. FIT:  The fact that as we move forward, prices will be set at contract award vs. project application, pretty much brings us back to the RFP model for project solicitation &amp; development.  The main differences being that there is no competitive bidding process and, barring constraint-related issues, one will be awarded a PPA.  To comment on Mark&#8217;s concern, Yes &#8211; It is difficult to sell something for which the price has not as of yet been determined.  Developers who have traditionally identified a buyer prior to developing a project will need to revise their business model to be more along the lines of the RFP-era developers.</p>
<p>Speaking on FIT mandate, I believe that FIT is to encourage renewables-based electrical generation project development.  As such, geothermal and/or solar thermal heating and cooling are not part of the programs mandate.  I agree that these types of developments should be similarly encouraged, as they directly contribute through consumption reduction of electricity, oil, natural gas, etc.  But trying to identify the nega-watts in order to develop FIT rates per KWh, though theoretically possible, could prove problematic.</p>
<p>My final spin on the changes being proposed through the Report are that the FIT program is really trying to incentivise Municipalities and communities to address their looming waste management crisis through biomass/biogas/landfill gas-based project development!  Yes, Paul, it&#8217;s all for you. How to kill two birds with one stone; not that I advocate the stoning of birds.</p>
<p>P.S. My discussions with Morgan Solar suggest that market potential for their product, based on kWH/sq.m/day, is fair in Ontario, but that there are other markets wherein it is higher on which they are currently focusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashlyn Bert</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2012/03/22/my-quick-review-of-ontarios-much-anticipated-fit-review/comment-page-1/#comment-41499</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashlyn Bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No problem headache, always happy to stick my neck out with an unpopular point of view  it&#039;s what makes life worth living.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem headache, always happy to stick my neck out with an unpopular point of view  it&#8217;s what makes life worth living.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul D. Kahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul D. Kahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tyler, It is with great excitment that the biomass part of fit remains untouched including any bonus amount I assume. Also I have followed Morgan on it&#039;s journey and had thier sales quote us for roof top solar in our product. For numerous reasons thier product should be supported as a &quot;made in Ontario breakthrough&quot;.  Paul]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler, It is with great excitment that the biomass part of fit remains untouched including any bonus amount I assume. Also I have followed Morgan on it&#8217;s journey and had thier sales quote us for roof top solar in our product. For numerous reasons thier product should be supported as a &#8220;made in Ontario breakthrough&#8221;.  Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At first I thought that the microFIT pricing was too harsh, as well, but first indications from a supplier are that there is a decent return and a 7-8 year payback.

The bigger problems from my point of view are what you mention about the 10-100kW, that there is not enough pressure to accelerate approvals and improve the connection delays and refusals, and that the price to be paid out will be determined at time of acceptance by OPA. That is, in fact, what has just happened, but what just happened was a somewhat reasonable response to the huge delays in approvals; now we will have a formal situation in which vendors are supposed to sell something for which they really don&#039;t know the price.... That is wrong. The problem is slow approvals, not changes in prices.

On the other hand, shortening the installation delay to 18 months reduces the risk of embarrassment to the government of paying too much for systems where the price has dropped drastically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first I thought that the microFIT pricing was too harsh, as well, but first indications from a supplier are that there is a decent return and a 7-8 year payback.</p>
<p>The bigger problems from my point of view are what you mention about the 10-100kW, that there is not enough pressure to accelerate approvals and improve the connection delays and refusals, and that the price to be paid out will be determined at time of acceptance by OPA. That is, in fact, what has just happened, but what just happened was a somewhat reasonable response to the huge delays in approvals; now we will have a formal situation in which vendors are supposed to sell something for which they really don&#8217;t know the price&#8230;. That is wrong. The problem is slow approvals, not changes in prices.</p>
<p>On the other hand, shortening the installation delay to 18 months reduces the risk of embarrassment to the government of paying too much for systems where the price has dropped drastically.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Barnard</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2012/03/22/my-quick-review-of-ontarios-much-anticipated-fit-review/comment-page-1/#comment-41403</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Barnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good quick analysis.  Thanks.

Regarding two points, transmission build-out and distribution grid upgrades, these efforts are outside of the FIT mandate, but are being acted on.  I participated at the beginning of a Hydro One, GE, IBM project which is hardening the distribution system with smarter central management combined with smarter semi-autonomous substations for local grid power management.  Similarly, there are existing projects to strengthen transmission within Ontario and to other jurisdictions.  Have a look in Ontario&#039;s Long Term Energy Plan. http://www.mei.gov.on.ca/en/pdf/MEI_LTEP_en.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good quick analysis.  Thanks.</p>
<p>Regarding two points, transmission build-out and distribution grid upgrades, these efforts are outside of the FIT mandate, but are being acted on.  I participated at the beginning of a Hydro One, GE, IBM project which is hardening the distribution system with smarter central management combined with smarter semi-autonomous substations for local grid power management.  Similarly, there are existing projects to strengthen transmission within Ontario and to other jurisdictions.  Have a look in Ontario&#8217;s Long Term Energy Plan. <a href="http://www.mei.gov.on.ca/en/pdf/MEI_LTEP_en.pdf" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.mei.gov.on.ca');" rel="nofollow">http://www.mei.gov.on.ca/en/pdf/MEI_LTEP_en.pdf</a></p>
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