Comments on: EEStor hard at work, no updates: ZENN http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2010/01/11/eestor-hard-at-work-no-updates-zenn/ Trends, happenings and innovations in the clean technology market Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:54:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Concernecabouttruth http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2010/01/11/eestor-hard-at-work-no-updates-zenn/comment-page-1/#comment-11404 Concernecabouttruth Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:56:48 +0000 http://www.cleanbreak.ca/?p=2065#comment-11404 Tyler, Here is an EEStor/Zenn update, http://gm-volt.com/2010/04/22/zenneestor-update/ EEStor's cadre of fanboys ain't happy. Doctor Lyle Dennis just put a big hole in the Lockheed Martin EEstor connection. Time to call Ian Clifford and ask him if EEStor's reveal is still "imminent"? Maybe you should ask Ian as a CEO of Zenn Motor Corp., does he know the definition of 'imminent"? Tyler,

Here is an EEStor/Zenn update,
http://gm-volt.com/2010/04/22/zenneestor-update/
EEStor’s cadre of fanboys ain’t happy. Doctor Lyle Dennis just put a big hole in the Lockheed Martin EEstor connection.

Time to call Ian Clifford and ask him if EEStor’s reveal is still “imminent”? Maybe you should ask Ian as a CEO of Zenn Motor Corp., does he know the definition of ‘imminent”?

]]> By: Skeptic http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2010/01/11/eestor-hard-at-work-no-updates-zenn/comment-page-1/#comment-10391 Skeptic Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:29:45 +0000 http://www.cleanbreak.ca/?p=2065#comment-10391 @M: Enron was a scam. Amaranth was a scam. Lots and lots of people cared. There was a +very+ good reason to talk up the topic because people who pull that kind of thing need to be exposed, tarred and feathered and the rest of us need to learn how to recognize the scams. At this point, I think we have to acknowledge that EEStor has been selling everyone repackaged cold-fusion. The gig is up. Regardless of the patent, they do not have a product. @M: Enron was a scam. Amaranth was a scam. Lots and lots of people cared. There was a +very+ good reason to talk up the topic because people who pull that kind of thing need to be exposed, tarred and feathered and the rest of us need to learn how to recognize the scams.

At this point, I think we have to acknowledge that EEStor has been selling everyone repackaged cold-fusion. The gig is up. Regardless of the patent, they do not have a product.

]]> By: Concernecabouttruth http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2010/01/11/eestor-hard-at-work-no-updates-zenn/comment-page-1/#comment-10112 Concernecabouttruth Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:29:01 +0000 http://www.cleanbreak.ca/?p=2065#comment-10112 Hey Tyler, Did you attend Zenn's AGM? Hey Tyler,
Did you attend Zenn’s AGM?

]]> By: M. http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2010/01/11/eestor-hard-at-work-no-updates-zenn/comment-page-1/#comment-10089 M. Thu, 25 Mar 2010 03:04:56 +0000 http://www.cleanbreak.ca/?p=2065#comment-10089 I find the whole "EESTOR is/isn't a scam" debate very tiresome and boring. I'm watching ZENN and EESTOR out of interest for the whole planet, not just my own personal well-being. I once considered investing in ZENN but I didn't buy their stock because I found that I was spending too much time trying to decide if EESTOR was a scam or not. I wasn't spending as much time thinking about how the whole world will change if EESTOR succeeds. I was wrapped up in my own little world of what would happen to my piddly two thousand dollars. There are three possibilities with EESTOR: (1) EESTOR is a scam, and they will never produce anything. (2) EESTOR is not a scam, and they fail. (3) EESTOR is not a scam, and they succeed. Possibility (1) is not very interesting. There will be nothing new here. Scams were invented long ago. There have been lots of them in the past, and there will be lots more of them in the future. The victims of scams are quite often (but not always) small-minded selfish greedy people who want to get rich quick. I don't know why some people are so vocal about EESTOR being a scam. It's an obvious, unsurprising, and very uninteresting possibility. The interesting and surprising thing will be if EESTOR succeeds. That is what creative big-thinking people should be discussing. I think that the people who just want to talk about whether or not EESTOR is a scam are small-minded selfish greedy people trying to make a quick buck for themselves in the stock market. Maybe they don't realize the worldwide economic and other benefits that will affect almost every living thing on the planet if EESTOR turns out to be real, and proliferates. Everybody will benefit if EESTOR turns out to be real. You don't need to buy any stock in ZENN to make money if EESTOR turns out to be real. Keep your money in the bank and wait until you can buy a superior product with EESTOR's technology in it. That's a risk-free way to make money. The reason I say that every living thing on the planet will benefit if EESTOR succeeds is that if the technologically advanced countries reduce their dependence on fossil fuels thanks to EESTOR (or something like it), this will help fight global warming, which affects every living thing on the planet. I find the whole “EESTOR is/isn’t a scam” debate very tiresome and boring. I’m watching ZENN and EESTOR out of interest for the whole planet, not just my own personal well-being. I once considered investing in ZENN but I didn’t buy their stock because I found that I was spending too much time trying to decide if EESTOR was a scam or not. I wasn’t spending as much time thinking about how the whole world will change if EESTOR succeeds. I was wrapped up in my own little world of what would happen to my piddly two thousand dollars.

There are three possibilities with EESTOR:

(1) EESTOR is a scam, and they will never produce anything.
(2) EESTOR is not a scam, and they fail.
(3) EESTOR is not a scam, and they succeed.

Possibility (1) is not very interesting. There will be nothing new here. Scams were invented long ago. There have been lots of them in the past, and there will be lots more of them in the future. The victims of scams are quite often (but not always) small-minded selfish greedy people who want to get rich quick. I don’t know why some people are so vocal about EESTOR being a scam. It’s an obvious, unsurprising, and very uninteresting possibility. The interesting and surprising thing will be if EESTOR succeeds. That is what creative big-thinking people should be discussing.

I think that the people who just want to talk about whether or not EESTOR is a scam are small-minded selfish greedy people trying to make a quick buck for themselves in the stock market. Maybe they don’t realize the worldwide economic and other benefits that will affect almost every living thing on the planet if EESTOR turns out to be real, and proliferates. Everybody will benefit if EESTOR turns out to be real. You don’t need to buy any stock in ZENN to make money if EESTOR turns out to be real. Keep your money in the bank and wait until you can buy a superior product with EESTOR’s technology in it. That’s a risk-free way to make money.

The reason I say that every living thing on the planet will benefit if EESTOR succeeds is that if the technologically advanced countries reduce their dependence on fossil fuels thanks to EESTOR (or something like it), this will help fight global warming, which affects every living thing on the planet.

]]> By: kerry bradshaw http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2010/01/11/eestor-hard-at-work-no-updates-zenn/comment-page-1/#comment-9663 kerry bradshaw Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:14:38 +0000 http://www.cleanbreak.ca/?p=2065#comment-9663 Dark John repeats the nonsense about oil companies buying up "breakthru devices over the years." Well, I've even heard years ago that they did this when lithium ion batteries came out, by far the only significant advance in batteries since Edison tried and failed to build one. Lithium ion batteries are now everywhere, so apparently that attempt to bury them wasn't, shall we say, extremely successful. I'm tired of these paranoid arguments that never seem to have any specifics, and don't realize the simple economics - no oil company could possibly afford the amount of money to buy and bury an advance the size of EEStor's promise, nor would they be able to. There is also the "slippery surface" li ion technology that was revealed (and demonstrated) last year to consider. Even if EEStor fails, that technology is practical and effective enough to lead to electrification of the world's vehicles - it can be recharged in munites and produces enormous amounts of power for its size, probably more than EEStor units can. And A123 Systems, one of the world's premier battery developers, has obtained the license. Now, I like to ask Dark fellow why the oil companies didn't obtain that license? According to the developers, that technology will be cheaper than current li ion and be available commercially within 2 years. And we all know that it works - there' s no doubt about that. And then there's the intrinsic implausibility of these theories and the inability of their proponents to understand what actually would have to happen. If a company tried to "buy and bury" some technology , legally, there would be a trail of legal documents, otherwise nothing has been bought. And if there were no trail, then legally nothng has occurred and there's nothing to prevent future proponents from developing the technology after the period of time granted to the patent holder, after there's no activity on his part. You can't simply hold a patent forever without doing anything. And if there was no patent, then anyone can develop the technology. That would mean the oil companies continuously paying off every new developer who comes on the scene, and the scene would be full of such folks, either to profit from the technology or from payoffs. Now does Dark fellow see the error of his ways? Probably not. He's simply venting his spleen at the oil folks, who operate in a competitve environment , which always ensures that a company can't get away with the crap that say, a monopolistic govt agency can, which is beholden to no one. The fact that there are folks around making brainless Alice in Wonderland arguments like Dark fellow proves my contention that this is the dumbest generation in history. Dark John repeats the nonsense about oil companies buying up “breakthru devices over the years.” Well, I’ve even heard years ago that they did this when lithium ion batteries came out, by far the only significant advance in batteries since Edison tried and failed to build one. Lithium ion batteries are now everywhere, so apparently that attempt to bury them wasn’t, shall we say, extremely successful. I’m tired of these paranoid arguments that never seem to have any specifics, and don’t realize the simple economics – no oil company could possibly afford the amount of money to buy and bury an advance the size of EEStor’s promise, nor would they be able to.
There is also the “slippery surface” li ion technology that was revealed (and demonstrated) last
year to consider. Even if EEStor fails, that technology is practical and effective enough to lead
to electrification of the world’s vehicles – it can be recharged in munites and produces enormous amounts of power for its size, probably more than EEStor units can. And A123 Systems, one of the world’s premier battery developers, has obtained the license. Now, I like to ask Dark fellow why the oil companies didn’t obtain that license? According to the developers, that technology will be cheaper
than current li ion and be available commercially within 2 years. And we all know that it works – there’ s no doubt about that. And then there’s the intrinsic implausibility of these theories and the inability of their proponents to understand what actually would have to happen. If a company tried to “buy and bury” some technology , legally, there would be a trail of legal documents, otherwise nothing has been bought. And if there were no trail, then legally nothng has occurred and there’s
nothing to prevent future proponents from developing the technology after the period of time granted to the patent holder, after there’s no activity on his part. You can’t simply hold a patent forever without doing anything. And if there was no patent, then anyone can develop the technology. That would mean the oil companies continuously paying off every new developer who comes on the scene, and the scene would be full of such folks, either to profit from the technology or from payoffs. Now does Dark fellow see the error of his ways? Probably not. He’s simply venting his spleen at the oil folks, who operate in a competitve environment , which always ensures that a company can’t get away with the crap that say, a monopolistic govt agency can, which is
beholden to no one. The fact that there are folks around making brainless Alice in Wonderland arguments like Dark fellow proves my contention that this is the dumbest generation in history.

]]> By: Dark John http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2010/01/11/eestor-hard-at-work-no-updates-zenn/comment-page-1/#comment-9643 Dark John Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:16:23 +0000 http://www.cleanbreak.ca/?p=2065#comment-9643 Sounds like a bunch of crap! Much like Sadam's great WMD program. Tons of money, secrecy and careful info leaks created the illusion of something. If I'm wrong on this...you'll never see this in production. Energy/Oil companies will buy this out and burry it with the rest of the last 50 years of innovation. So it's either fraud...or it's burried. Either way we loose... Sala'am Sounds like a bunch of crap! Much like Sadam’s great WMD program. Tons of money, secrecy and careful info leaks created the illusion of something.

If I’m wrong on this…you’ll never see this in production. Energy/Oil companies will buy this out and burry it with the rest of the last 50 years of innovation.

So it’s either fraud…or it’s burried. Either way we loose…

Sala’am

]]> By: concernedaboutthetruth http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2010/01/11/eestor-hard-at-work-no-updates-zenn/comment-page-1/#comment-9615 concernedaboutthetruth Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:04:23 +0000 http://www.cleanbreak.ca/?p=2065#comment-9615 John Stawicki, you wrote: "EEStor is under contract with UL..." EESTor is not under any contract with UL. That statement by you and EESCAM pumpers is an outright lie! Just like Dick Weir stating to potential investors EESCAM is ahead of schedule in delivering EESU to ZENN in 2009. There is a rumor I read Dick Weir believes Weir still in the 15th month of 2009. Muahahahahahahahahahahaha! John Stawicki, you wrote:
“EEStor is under contract with UL…”

EESTor is not under any contract with UL. That statement by you and EESCAM pumpers is an outright lie! Just like Dick Weir stating to potential investors EESCAM is ahead of schedule in delivering EESU to ZENN in 2009.

There is a rumor I read Dick Weir believes Weir still in the 15th month of 2009.
Muahahahahahahahahahahaha!

]]> By: Bozo http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2010/01/11/eestor-hard-at-work-no-updates-zenn/comment-page-1/#comment-9591 Bozo Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:57:12 +0000 http://www.cleanbreak.ca/?p=2065#comment-9591 PFFT! Part of me hopes it proves true.... The pragmatic side of me says this is just as EESCAM suggests. I already got taken (big time) by a pinksheet scam/company, believing (blindlessly hoping) all the hype press releases. To the more intelligent crowd: The UL news confirms ONLY that they have received a REQUEST to certify A product. It does NOT state WHICH product, nor does it state they have received any product. This reminds me SO MUCH of the scam that cost my $30k: The FCC confirmed they were processing a request for certification, of a product from a certain company (scamster's), that I had believed, and therefore bought MORE shares (DUH! *punches self in the side of head*). http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20030418/1422211.shtml I'll check back every 3 months, to see if this scam is proven otherwise. In the meantime, I'll be content to keep watching "American Greed" on CNBC (http://www.hulu.com/american-greed) to remind myself not to believe "that which sounds too good to be true". PFFT! Part of me hopes it proves true….

The pragmatic side of me says this is just as EESCAM suggests. I already got taken (big time) by a pinksheet scam/company, believing (blindlessly hoping) all the hype press releases.

To the more intelligent crowd: The UL news confirms ONLY that they have received a REQUEST to certify A product. It does NOT state WHICH product, nor does it state they have received any product.

This reminds me SO MUCH of the scam that cost my $30k: The FCC confirmed they were processing a request for certification, of a product from a certain company (scamster’s), that I had believed, and therefore bought MORE shares (DUH! *punches self in the side of head*). http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20030418/1422211.shtml

I’ll check back every 3 months, to see if this scam is proven otherwise.

In the meantime, I’ll be content to keep watching “American Greed” on CNBC (http://www.hulu.com/american-greed) to remind myself not to believe “that which sounds too good to be true”.

]]> By: John Stawicki http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2010/01/11/eestor-hard-at-work-no-updates-zenn/comment-page-1/#comment-9421 John Stawicki Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:13:31 +0000 http://www.cleanbreak.ca/?p=2065#comment-9421 Underwriters Laboratories Inc. UL is the trusted source across the globe for product compliance...EEStor is under contract with UL and until UL gives it's stamp of approval, nothing will happen. Underwriters Laboratories Inc.
UL is the trusted source across the globe for product compliance…EEStor is under contract with UL and until UL gives it’s stamp of approval, nothing will happen.

]]> By: Dylan Tyan http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2010/01/11/eestor-hard-at-work-no-updates-zenn/comment-page-1/#comment-9149 Dylan Tyan Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:07:03 +0000 http://www.cleanbreak.ca/?p=2065#comment-9149 EESCAM definately was not hugged enough as a child. EESCAM definately was not hugged enough as a child.

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