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		<title>By: Ontario could phase out coal in 2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ontario could phase out coal in 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] worth considering is converting Nanticoke, North America&#8217;s largest coal-fired power plant, to burn biomass instead. From a health and environmental perspective, that&#8217;s not as appealing as shutting it down, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] worth considering is converting Nanticoke, North America&#8217;s largest coal-fired power plant, to burn biomass instead. From a health and environmental perspective, that&#8217;s not as appealing as shutting it down, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/11/24/can-north-americas-largest-coal-plant-convert-to-biomass/comment-page-1/#comment-9436</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 07:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think biomass is better than coal.  To make biomass it would require the use of Diesel to power the harvesting equipment etc. that is needed to grow the biomass, then harvest it and then transport it.  All of this pollutes too.  You are also competing with the food chain because land that could have been used to grow food to eat is instead used to grow biomass for a power plant.  Also you could end up damaging a bunch of topsoil and the fertilizer and pesticides used isn&#039;t environmentaly sound either.  Converting to biomass could potentially quadruple the cost of electricty in the province of Ontario.  This is a bad bad thing all around.

Ontario already spend a ton of money building the Nanticoke power plant.  It would be a waste of money and resources not to use it.  North America has over a 200 year supply of coal reserves.  And there is no consensus among scientists that our CO2 emissions are actually harming the earth.

Also Canada hardly produces any Co2s compared to the United States which is one of the worst offenders.  So why should Canada be that worried?  If anything it&#039;s the United States that should clean up first because it would make the biggest impact.  Right now California only uses 1% coal power and most of it is natural gas and hydroelectric.  So it&#039;s not like my computer is polluting a whole lot since I happen to be in the Golden State right now.

I say, Let Ontario keep their precious Nanticoke power plant.  I&#039;ve seen the sky photos of that plant and it&#039;s beautiful.  They use ship barges to move the coal instead of trains.  They should capture the Co2 and pump it into the ground to use to pump out more crude oil or just for storage.  The Co2s could also be captured and used for growing &quot;algea&quot; which can then be made into biodiesel or ethanol which is very clean and green for all our transportation needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think biomass is better than coal.  To make biomass it would require the use of Diesel to power the harvesting equipment etc. that is needed to grow the biomass, then harvest it and then transport it.  All of this pollutes too.  You are also competing with the food chain because land that could have been used to grow food to eat is instead used to grow biomass for a power plant.  Also you could end up damaging a bunch of topsoil and the fertilizer and pesticides used isn&#8217;t environmentaly sound either.  Converting to biomass could potentially quadruple the cost of electricty in the province of Ontario.  This is a bad bad thing all around.</p>
<p>Ontario already spend a ton of money building the Nanticoke power plant.  It would be a waste of money and resources not to use it.  North America has over a 200 year supply of coal reserves.  And there is no consensus among scientists that our CO2 emissions are actually harming the earth.</p>
<p>Also Canada hardly produces any Co2s compared to the United States which is one of the worst offenders.  So why should Canada be that worried?  If anything it&#8217;s the United States that should clean up first because it would make the biggest impact.  Right now California only uses 1% coal power and most of it is natural gas and hydroelectric.  So it&#8217;s not like my computer is polluting a whole lot since I happen to be in the Golden State right now.</p>
<p>I say, Let Ontario keep their precious Nanticoke power plant.  I&#8217;ve seen the sky photos of that plant and it&#8217;s beautiful.  They use ship barges to move the coal instead of trains.  They should capture the Co2 and pump it into the ground to use to pump out more crude oil or just for storage.  The Co2s could also be captured and used for growing &#8220;algea&#8221; which can then be made into biodiesel or ethanol which is very clean and green for all our transportation needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Fairthorne</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/11/24/can-north-americas-largest-coal-plant-convert-to-biomass/comment-page-1/#comment-4074</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Fairthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it looks like now they are actually converting the Atikokan coal plant into a biomass fueled plant.   We&#039;ll see how this goes.  Hopefully this is intended to be a short term plan until something economically and logistically sustainable comes along.

http://jimfairthorne.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/ontario-coal-plant-to-switch-to-biomass/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it looks like now they are actually converting the Atikokan coal plant into a biomass fueled plant.   We&#8217;ll see how this goes.  Hopefully this is intended to be a short term plan until something economically and logistically sustainable comes along.</p>
<p><a href="http://jimfairthorne.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/ontario-coal-plant-to-switch-to-biomass/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/jimfairthorne.wordpress.com');" rel="nofollow">http://jimfairthorne.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/ontario-coal-plant-to-switch-to-biomass/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/11/24/can-north-americas-largest-coal-plant-convert-to-biomass/comment-page-1/#comment-3761</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand you can bio dry biosolids and use them as a biomass fuel. Eliminate coal, stop land applying biosolids in our fields, and produce a renewable fuel. That sounds like something Ontario should be pursuing doesn&#039;t it? The technology appears to be sound, Canadian, and readily available...... TODAY!
www.wrighttech.ca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand you can bio dry biosolids and use them as a biomass fuel. Eliminate coal, stop land applying biosolids in our fields, and produce a renewable fuel. That sounds like something Ontario should be pursuing doesn&#8217;t it? The technology appears to be sound, Canadian, and readily available&#8230;&#8230; TODAY!<br />
<a href="http://www.wrighttech.ca" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.wrighttech.ca');" rel="nofollow">http://www.wrighttech.ca</a></p>
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		<title>By: Franco</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/11/24/can-north-americas-largest-coal-plant-convert-to-biomass/comment-page-1/#comment-3747</link>
		<dc:creator>Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My figure was for all eight units running year round, producing 4000 megawatts in total. The details of the calc are in my website if you&#039;re curious.

So you&#039;re saying that two or three of the units would be used, but only as peakers and emergency power. It&#039;s my understanding that, in particular, peakers must be able to start and stop within a short period of time to match peak demand. Peaker plants generally use a fuel like natural gas because it enables the turbines to start and shut down quickly. Is Nanticoke able to be operated as a peaker plant? It seems to be more suited for baseload power generation because it needs a long time to warm up and get going. And that&#039;s partly to do with the nature of using coal as fuel, and biomass is not that much different. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My figure was for all eight units running year round, producing 4000 megawatts in total. The details of the calc are in my website if you&#8217;re curious.</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re saying that two or three of the units would be used, but only as peakers and emergency power. It&#8217;s my understanding that, in particular, peakers must be able to start and stop within a short period of time to match peak demand. Peaker plants generally use a fuel like natural gas because it enables the turbines to start and shut down quickly. Is Nanticoke able to be operated as a peaker plant? It seems to be more suited for baseload power generation because it needs a long time to warm up and get going. And that&#8217;s partly to do with the nature of using coal as fuel, and biomass is not that much different. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/11/24/can-north-americas-largest-coal-plant-convert-to-biomass/comment-page-1/#comment-3745</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would like to know how you got to the 90 km by 90 km figure. Seems quite high.

With Nanticoke, it&#039;s important to consider only two or three of its eight units would be used and those units would only be retained as &quot;peaker&quot; units, meaning they&#039;d run occasionally when demand is exceptionally high or be kept as reserve power for emergencies. That being the case, only a fraction of the biomass that you calculated would actually be needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would like to know how you got to the 90 km by 90 km figure. Seems quite high.</p>
<p>With Nanticoke, it&#8217;s important to consider only two or three of its eight units would be used and those units would only be retained as &#8220;peaker&#8221; units, meaning they&#8217;d run occasionally when demand is exceptionally high or be kept as reserve power for emergencies. That being the case, only a fraction of the biomass that you calculated would actually be needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Franco</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/11/24/can-north-americas-largest-coal-plant-convert-to-biomass/comment-page-1/#comment-3742</link>
		<dc:creator>Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked out how much biomass it would take for the Nanticoke plant to run year round. Assuming switchgrass growth, that&#039;s an area about 90 km by 90 km. Huge. And that&#039;s just for one plant. The amount of wood and agricultural waste generated in Canada alone would barely be enough for Nanticoke, and certainly not enough if all the coal-fired plants were to switch to biomass.

Burning biomass is not the solution for large scale power generation, due to massive land requirements. There is growing evidence that renewables such as wind power are the way to go long term, and this is just one part of the proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked out how much biomass it would take for the Nanticoke plant to run year round. Assuming switchgrass growth, that&#8217;s an area about 90 km by 90 km. Huge. And that&#8217;s just for one plant. The amount of wood and agricultural waste generated in Canada alone would barely be enough for Nanticoke, and certainly not enough if all the coal-fired plants were to switch to biomass.</p>
<p>Burning biomass is not the solution for large scale power generation, due to massive land requirements. There is growing evidence that renewables such as wind power are the way to go long term, and this is just one part of the proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/11/24/can-north-americas-largest-coal-plant-convert-to-biomass/comment-page-1/#comment-3659</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler Hamilton&#039;s piece points up the radical risk to the environment that converting coal-fired
generating plants to &quot;biomass&quot; poses.
   The biggest issue apparently isn&#039;t technical but an ample
supply of fuel, but once big US and Canadian coal plants invest heavily, with government subsides,
no doubt, in switching to &quot;biomass,&quot; it  will be hard to turn back. &quot;Biomass&quot; for all practical
purposes will become trees, any tree regardless of its inherent value as lumber.  Every tree within a 1,000 mile radius of such huge gen plants as Nanticoke will be be chewed up where it stands (and the industry will no doubt figure a economical way to harvest the roots as well) and trucked or railcared to those never-to-be sated boilers. In a generation, the entire landscape would look
like West Virginia 100 years ago when coal stripping mining was allow. Why bother to cut and mill 2x4s when wood as fuel will yield double or triple per ton of lumber. A 2x4 will cost $10 each! 
     Tyler Hamilton: Do some ground-breaking reporting and warn North Americans about what an
economic and ecological disaster Western countries would create by burning wood to satisfy our
demand for electrity.
Jim Adams</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler Hamilton&#8217;s piece points up the radical risk to the environment that converting coal-fired<br />
generating plants to &#8220;biomass&#8221; poses.<br />
   The biggest issue apparently isn&#8217;t technical but an ample<br />
supply of fuel, but once big US and Canadian coal plants invest heavily, with government subsides,<br />
no doubt, in switching to &#8220;biomass,&#8221; it  will be hard to turn back. &#8220;Biomass&#8221; for all practical<br />
purposes will become trees, any tree regardless of its inherent value as lumber.  Every tree within a 1,000 mile radius of such huge gen plants as Nanticoke will be be chewed up where it stands (and the industry will no doubt figure a economical way to harvest the roots as well) and trucked or railcared to those never-to-be sated boilers. In a generation, the entire landscape would look<br />
like West Virginia 100 years ago when coal stripping mining was allow. Why bother to cut and mill 2x4s when wood as fuel will yield double or triple per ton of lumber. A 2&#215;4 will cost $10 each!<br />
     Tyler Hamilton: Do some ground-breaking reporting and warn North Americans about what an<br />
economic and ecological disaster Western countries would create by burning wood to satisfy our<br />
demand for electrity.<br />
Jim Adams</p>
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		<title>By: Paul C</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/11/24/can-north-americas-largest-coal-plant-convert-to-biomass/comment-page-1/#comment-3575</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ontario Liberal government policy of closing Ontario&#039;s coal-fired generating stations was a purely political move with no valid scientific basis.

Approximately 2 - 4% of air emissions affecting Ontario were produced by those stations, even when Lakeview GS was still operating.

Closing Nanticoke GS would have little perceptible impact on air quality in Ontario, and most particularly, at ground level where residents breathe.

And as for so-called CO2 &quot;pollution&quot;, Sithe Energies&#039; proposed Southdown Power Plant is projected to emit about the same amount that Lakeview GS did during its last few years of operation.  That&#039;s right - virtually no difference in greenhouse gas emissions - but more costly electricity as a result.  And how is that &quot;cleaner&quot;, pray tell?

Lakeview Generating Station should have been refurbished and modified to accept biomass as a feed supplement.  30% co-firing of biomass has been shown to reduce emissions down to levels similar to those from natural gas-fired installations, and at a considerably lower cost, resulting in less expensive electricity.

And other emissions could be cleaned up, since &quot;clean-coal&quot; technologies have been effectively utilized in Europe now for over twenty years.  On top of that, it is done mainly with lignite, which is &quot;dirtier&quot; than the coal we use in Ontario.

Instead, after premier McGuinty assured residents in 2005 that closing Lakeview would not affect the power supply available, we in the southwest section of the Toronto area are being told that we must accept new highly polluting natural gas-fired power plants in our communities because - there is insufficient supply of electricity!!!

McGuinty&#039;s inept government and their mishandling of Ontario&#039;s electricity sector doesn&#039;t even qualify them to perform at the level of Bozo the Clown (with apologies to Bozo for comparing him to McGuinty and his government).

Again, the taxpayer is left to pay for government incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ontario Liberal government policy of closing Ontario&#8217;s coal-fired generating stations was a purely political move with no valid scientific basis.</p>
<p>Approximately 2 &#8211; 4% of air emissions affecting Ontario were produced by those stations, even when Lakeview GS was still operating.</p>
<p>Closing Nanticoke GS would have little perceptible impact on air quality in Ontario, and most particularly, at ground level where residents breathe.</p>
<p>And as for so-called CO2 &#8220;pollution&#8221;, Sithe Energies&#8217; proposed Southdown Power Plant is projected to emit about the same amount that Lakeview GS did during its last few years of operation.  That&#8217;s right &#8211; virtually no difference in greenhouse gas emissions &#8211; but more costly electricity as a result.  And how is that &#8220;cleaner&#8221;, pray tell?</p>
<p>Lakeview Generating Station should have been refurbished and modified to accept biomass as a feed supplement.  30% co-firing of biomass has been shown to reduce emissions down to levels similar to those from natural gas-fired installations, and at a considerably lower cost, resulting in less expensive electricity.</p>
<p>And other emissions could be cleaned up, since &#8220;clean-coal&#8221; technologies have been effectively utilized in Europe now for over twenty years.  On top of that, it is done mainly with lignite, which is &#8220;dirtier&#8221; than the coal we use in Ontario.</p>
<p>Instead, after premier McGuinty assured residents in 2005 that closing Lakeview would not affect the power supply available, we in the southwest section of the Toronto area are being told that we must accept new highly polluting natural gas-fired power plants in our communities because &#8211; there is insufficient supply of electricity!!!</p>
<p>McGuinty&#8217;s inept government and their mishandling of Ontario&#8217;s electricity sector doesn&#8217;t even qualify them to perform at the level of Bozo the Clown (with apologies to Bozo for comparing him to McGuinty and his government).</p>
<p>Again, the taxpayer is left to pay for government incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Darklamp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darklamp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone in your column comments mentioned torrefaction. There is a Cdn company from BC working on something similar. They claim they can transform biomass into a coal like fuel, with similar properties. Have a look: http://www.alternaenergy.ca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone in your column comments mentioned torrefaction. There is a Cdn company from BC working on something similar. They claim they can transform biomass into a coal like fuel, with similar properties. Have a look: <a href="http://www.alternaenergy.ca" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.alternaenergy.ca');" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternaenergy.ca</a></p>
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