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	<title>Comments on: Why Google.org&#8217;s enhanced geothermal investment is good for Canada</title>
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		<title>By: Alison Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/08/19/why-googleorgs-enhanced-geothermal-investment-is-good-for-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-3158</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
I&quot;m the Executive Director of the Canadian Geothermal Energy Association (CanGEA) and along with my colleague, Craig Dunn (CanGEA Membership and Outreach Director) am inviting anyone who wants to support geothermal electricity in Canada to join CanGEA.  We are currently an all volunteer association (since there are no megawatts of geothermal electricity in Canada, there isn&#039;t the industry cashflow to support a full time staff) as we have yet to gain the funding of the federal government.
Please visit our website to learn more about how you can help bring geothermal energy to Canada.
www.cangea.ca

Warmly,
alison</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I&#8221;m the Executive Director of the Canadian Geothermal Energy Association (CanGEA) and along with my colleague, Craig Dunn (CanGEA Membership and Outreach Director) am inviting anyone who wants to support geothermal electricity in Canada to join CanGEA.  We are currently an all volunteer association (since there are no megawatts of geothermal electricity in Canada, there isn&#8217;t the industry cashflow to support a full time staff) as we have yet to gain the funding of the federal government.<br />
Please visit our website to learn more about how you can help bring geothermal energy to Canada.<br />
<a href="http://www.cangea.ca" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.cangea.ca');" rel="nofollow">http://www.cangea.ca</a></p>
<p>Warmly,<br />
alison</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Bedford</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/08/19/why-googleorgs-enhanced-geothermal-investment-is-good-for-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-3120</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Bedford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Green Party of Canada&#039;s policy document states that they would help out industry with a &quot;well funded R&amp;D program&quot; for EGS geothermal. (Part 2, Section D)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Green Party of Canada&#8217;s policy document states that they would help out industry with a &#8220;well funded R&amp;D program&#8221; for EGS geothermal. (Part 2, Section D)</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Dunn</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/08/19/why-googleorgs-enhanced-geothermal-investment-is-good-for-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-3090</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Dunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many who recognize the potential of this amazing resource (our planet&#039;s heat) and are working hard to bring high temperature geothermal energy to Canada, including all the members of the Canadian Geothermal Energy Association (CanGEA)
 www.cangea.ca has a great deal of information about news, events and activities about the geothermal industry in Canada and abroad and for the first time in over a decade, Canada/CanGEA will be giving a country update at the  Geothermal Resource Council&#039;s general meeting in Reno (October 2008). 

Tyler, thank you for all your quality reporting on the subject and increasing awareness for geothermal energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many who recognize the potential of this amazing resource (our planet&#8217;s heat) and are working hard to bring high temperature geothermal energy to Canada, including all the members of the Canadian Geothermal Energy Association (CanGEA)<br />
 <a href="http://www.cangea.ca" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.cangea.ca');" rel="nofollow">http://www.cangea.ca</a> has a great deal of information about news, events and activities about the geothermal industry in Canada and abroad and for the first time in over a decade, Canada/CanGEA will be giving a country update at the  Geothermal Resource Council&#8217;s general meeting in Reno (October 2008). </p>
<p>Tyler, thank you for all your quality reporting on the subject and increasing awareness for geothermal energy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/08/19/why-googleorgs-enhanced-geothermal-investment-is-good-for-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-2183</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s strange, isn&#039;t it? I can&#039;t speak for all of them, but the CEO of Sierra Geothermal said it&#039;s because there is a lot of built-up geothermal expertise in Canada but companies are forced to look elsewhere because the Canadian industry lacks support for local projects. We have a well-established oil and gas sector dependent on geologists and geoscientists, and universities that churn out these experts. I imagine, but can&#039;t say for sure, that many of the folks who are with geothermal companies got their feet wet in the oil sector. But honestly, I haven&#039;t a clue.

I imagine it&#039;s also because geothermal exploration and development is similar in many ways to mining and oil/gas exploration and development, both of which Canada excels at. Huge upfront costs, lots of upfront risk, but a big payoff once you strike gold, oil or heat -- take your pick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s strange, isn&#8217;t it? I can&#8217;t speak for all of them, but the CEO of Sierra Geothermal said it&#8217;s because there is a lot of built-up geothermal expertise in Canada but companies are forced to look elsewhere because the Canadian industry lacks support for local projects. We have a well-established oil and gas sector dependent on geologists and geoscientists, and universities that churn out these experts. I imagine, but can&#8217;t say for sure, that many of the folks who are with geothermal companies got their feet wet in the oil sector. But honestly, I haven&#8217;t a clue.</p>
<p>I imagine it&#8217;s also because geothermal exploration and development is similar in many ways to mining and oil/gas exploration and development, both of which Canada excels at. Huge upfront costs, lots of upfront risk, but a big payoff once you strike gold, oil or heat &#8212; take your pick.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Adair</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/08/19/why-googleorgs-enhanced-geothermal-investment-is-good-for-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-2182</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler, can you comment on why a fair number of the companies doing geothermal development in the United States are Canadian? Among this group are Nevada Geothermal, Sierra Geothermal and newcomer Magma Energy (U.S.) Corp., which has Vancouver, B.C., management.

This last company paid $10.2 million for 12 of the 35 geothermal leases the U.S. government auctioned off earlier this month in Nevada.

Also, Polaris, another Canadian company, is developing a project in Central America. 

Impressive showing, for not having any domestic development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler, can you comment on why a fair number of the companies doing geothermal development in the United States are Canadian? Among this group are Nevada Geothermal, Sierra Geothermal and newcomer Magma Energy (U.S.) Corp., which has Vancouver, B.C., management.</p>
<p>This last company paid $10.2 million for 12 of the 35 geothermal leases the U.S. government auctioned off earlier this month in Nevada.</p>
<p>Also, Polaris, another Canadian company, is developing a project in Central America. </p>
<p>Impressive showing, for not having any domestic development.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/08/19/why-googleorgs-enhanced-geothermal-investment-is-good-for-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-2177</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve made your point. Let&#039;s please move on...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve made your point. Let&#8217;s please move on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/08/19/why-googleorgs-enhanced-geothermal-investment-is-good-for-canada/comment-page-1/#comment-2176</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As  I have long suspected, journalists are not very good at reading.  Google is engaging in transparent greenwashing.  Google is making claims about making renewable energy cheaper than coal.  Google is investing in loons.  Not need to infer anything.

Now my reasoning does not apply to &#039;anybody&#039; nor have I suggested any renewable energy companies are &#039;crackpot&#039; other than the ones Google invested insignificant sums.

Since Tyler&#039;s only demonstrated competence on energy matters is the ability to use a word processor to cut and paste a Google press release into his byline, I am not too worried about statements like  &#039;because your igorance is shocking.&#039;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As  I have long suspected, journalists are not very good at reading.  Google is engaging in transparent greenwashing.  Google is making claims about making renewable energy cheaper than coal.  Google is investing in loons.  Not need to infer anything.</p>
<p>Now my reasoning does not apply to &#8216;anybody&#8217; nor have I suggested any renewable energy companies are &#8216;crackpot&#8217; other than the ones Google invested insignificant sums.</p>
<p>Since Tyler&#8217;s only demonstrated competence on energy matters is the ability to use a word processor to cut and paste a Google press release into his byline, I am not too worried about statements like  &#8216;because your igorance is shocking.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For one, if you&#039;ve ever read my articles in the Toronto Star, you&#039;ll learn I&#039;m a great supporter of geothermal, of all types, and am probably the only reporter in Canada that writes about it so frequently and push for more support of the technology.

Second, my story in the Star about Google&#039;s investment mentions clearly the current amount of conventional geothermal and the 4,000 MW in the pipeline and the lack of attention to the potential in B.C. and Alberta. But being from Ontario, excuse me for being selfish for wanting to see enhanced geothermal actually work. Conventional geothermal isn&#039;t possible in my province, so yes, I&#039;m putting great hope on EGS and the possibility one day of seeing a geothermal power plant in Ontario that displaces the use of coal or the need for a new nuclear plant.

Based on your reasoning, anybody with money should invest in the low-hanging fruit -- waste energy recovery, anaerobic digesters on farms, conservation, etc... The problem with that is that there&#039;d been no money invested in the less ripe fruit higher up in the tree. Google&#039;s investment, and others investing in this space, should be welcomed because you&#039;ll never find anybody in Canada&#039;s ultraconservative banking community investing in this stuff. Why should Bill Gates, who could sit back from his Microsoft riches and do nothing, invest in new aids breakthroughs and Malaria prevention programs when he could be putting all his money into IT? Your reasoning is flawed, and your use of the term &quot;investigative journalism&quot; is misplaced. Not everything written by a reporter, or blogger for that matter, need be &quot;investigative.&quot;

So let me get this straight: You&#039;re calling investments in plug-in hybrid vehicles, solar thermal and PV technology, efficient computer and data centres, and now enhanced geothermal all &quot;crackpot&quot;?

I&#039;m hoping you&#039;re just rubbing me the wrong way for entertainment value, because your igorance is shocking.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For one, if you&#8217;ve ever read my articles in the Toronto Star, you&#8217;ll learn I&#8217;m a great supporter of geothermal, of all types, and am probably the only reporter in Canada that writes about it so frequently and push for more support of the technology.</p>
<p>Second, my story in the Star about Google&#8217;s investment mentions clearly the current amount of conventional geothermal and the 4,000 MW in the pipeline and the lack of attention to the potential in B.C. and Alberta. But being from Ontario, excuse me for being selfish for wanting to see enhanced geothermal actually work. Conventional geothermal isn&#8217;t possible in my province, so yes, I&#8217;m putting great hope on EGS and the possibility one day of seeing a geothermal power plant in Ontario that displaces the use of coal or the need for a new nuclear plant.</p>
<p>Based on your reasoning, anybody with money should invest in the low-hanging fruit &#8212; waste energy recovery, anaerobic digesters on farms, conservation, etc&#8230; The problem with that is that there&#8217;d been no money invested in the less ripe fruit higher up in the tree. Google&#8217;s investment, and others investing in this space, should be welcomed because you&#8217;ll never find anybody in Canada&#8217;s ultraconservative banking community investing in this stuff. Why should Bill Gates, who could sit back from his Microsoft riches and do nothing, invest in new aids breakthroughs and Malaria prevention programs when he could be putting all his money into IT? Your reasoning is flawed, and your use of the term &#8220;investigative journalism&#8221; is misplaced. Not everything written by a reporter, or blogger for that matter, need be &#8220;investigative.&#8221;</p>
<p>So let me get this straight: You&#8217;re calling investments in plug-in hybrid vehicles, solar thermal and PV technology, efficient computer and data centres, and now enhanced geothermal all &#8220;crackpot&#8221;?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping you&#8217;re just rubbing me the wrong way for entertainment value, because your igorance is shocking.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, let me give credit where credit is due.  I do not come to CLEAN BREAK  by accident.  I like the point of view generally.  I would never have bothered  to issue a challenge about investigative journalism to anyone at the NYTs.

Second, I agree about the the money going to Southern Methodist University.

Third, I somewhat agree with:

“Greenwashing to me is trying to sell a product as green that isn&#039;t green. It&#039;s about lying to the public. It&#039;s about feel-good but misleading advertising.”

The fact that it is not transparent to Tyler is troubling. What ever happened to investigative journalism?

So what is good energy related journalism.

I get many news articles daily about energy.   I work in the R&amp;D end of the electricity generating industry with my favorite being dairy farm biomass and biomass related to forest heath.   Since I just finished working on a Canadian proposal for my company, I have restricted myself from commenting on related topics.

At the same time as Google&#039;s press release, a geothermal industry association has a press release where I learned there is about 4000 MWe of  legitimate geothermal under development.  This is an amazing story and nobody is talking about that.

It is transparent, Google&#039;s purpose is not produce clean energy, it is to impress the gullible.  When you look at the technologies Google selects, the loonier the better.    Loony is more interesting unless your goal is too accomplish something like &#039;as momentum builds, lead to change in the marketplace&#039;.

Google product is a search engine.  Information management systems are one the fastest growing areas of new electricity demand.  Google is lying to the public or to be fair they are not very good at updating their web pages.

So  Tyler, find out how Google used green energy in 2007 as they claimed.  Tell me which dairy farms in Brazil and Mexico they invested in.  Tell my why the technologies they have selected are &#039;breaktrhous&#039; and not crackpot.

Tell me why so many journalists plagiarized the Google press release and failed to talk about the great story of geothermal.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, let me give credit where credit is due.  I do not come to CLEAN BREAK  by accident.  I like the point of view generally.  I would never have bothered  to issue a challenge about investigative journalism to anyone at the NYTs.</p>
<p>Second, I agree about the the money going to Southern Methodist University.</p>
<p>Third, I somewhat agree with:</p>
<p>“Greenwashing to me is trying to sell a product as green that isn&#8217;t green. It&#8217;s about lying to the public. It&#8217;s about feel-good but misleading advertising.”</p>
<p>The fact that it is not transparent to Tyler is troubling. What ever happened to investigative journalism?</p>
<p>So what is good energy related journalism.</p>
<p>I get many news articles daily about energy.   I work in the R&#038;D end of the electricity generating industry with my favorite being dairy farm biomass and biomass related to forest heath.   Since I just finished working on a Canadian proposal for my company, I have restricted myself from commenting on related topics.</p>
<p>At the same time as Google&#8217;s press release, a geothermal industry association has a press release where I learned there is about 4000 MWe of  legitimate geothermal under development.  This is an amazing story and nobody is talking about that.</p>
<p>It is transparent, Google&#8217;s purpose is not produce clean energy, it is to impress the gullible.  When you look at the technologies Google selects, the loonier the better.    Loony is more interesting unless your goal is too accomplish something like &#8216;as momentum builds, lead to change in the marketplace&#8217;.</p>
<p>Google product is a search engine.  Information management systems are one the fastest growing areas of new electricity demand.  Google is lying to the public or to be fair they are not very good at updating their web pages.</p>
<p>So  Tyler, find out how Google used green energy in 2007 as they claimed.  Tell me which dairy farms in Brazil and Mexico they invested in.  Tell my why the technologies they have selected are &#8216;breaktrhous&#8217; and not crackpot.</p>
<p>Tell me why so many journalists plagiarized the Google press release and failed to talk about the great story of geothermal.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Investigating your claim? What claim -- that Google is greenwashing? Hmmm... that would appear to be a subjective claim. Either you&#039;re an unreasonable skeptic like yourself, or a realist who understands that ALL profit-minded companies seek a little love from their green campaigns and investments.

I have looked at all of Google&#039;s investments in this area and, in my view, they&#039;re all worthy of this kind of support. More precisely related to my blog post, I commend Google for this investment -- particularly the money going to Southern Methodist University -- because it benefits Canada.

Greenwashing to me is trying to sell a product as green that isn&#039;t green. It&#039;s about lying to the public. It&#039;s about feel-good but misleading advertising. It&#039;s not about companies investing in companies or granting money to projects that could, as momentum builds, lead to change in the marketplace.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investigating your claim? What claim &#8212; that Google is greenwashing? Hmmm&#8230; that would appear to be a subjective claim. Either you&#8217;re an unreasonable skeptic like yourself, or a realist who understands that ALL profit-minded companies seek a little love from their green campaigns and investments.</p>
<p>I have looked at all of Google&#8217;s investments in this area and, in my view, they&#8217;re all worthy of this kind of support. More precisely related to my blog post, I commend Google for this investment &#8212; particularly the money going to Southern Methodist University &#8212; because it benefits Canada.</p>
<p>Greenwashing to me is trying to sell a product as green that isn&#8217;t green. It&#8217;s about lying to the public. It&#8217;s about feel-good but misleading advertising. It&#8217;s not about companies investing in companies or granting money to projects that could, as momentum builds, lead to change in the marketplace.</p>
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