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	<title>Comments on: Phoenix Motorcars to use Electrovaya battery packs</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/05/06/phoenix-motorcars-to-use-electrovaya-battery-packs/comment-page-1/#comment-2008</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone have any idea what the &quot;CityZenn&quot; might look like?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have any idea what the &#8220;CityZenn&#8221; might look like?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/05/06/phoenix-motorcars-to-use-electrovaya-battery-packs/comment-page-1/#comment-2007</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler

Thanks for the reply, your input about weir looking to expand is consistent with lockheed martin, an engineer who worked at the site remaining anonymous, and zenn all say this a large production facility will be online  later in 2008.  Also considering Weir said to you he is going to release soon the permittivity testing strong indication he already is in the know and most likely is favorable or he would not be releasing it.  Anyways, once the financing is made public this or next week.  Then we should know shortly after that the permittivity results.

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<p>Thanks for the reply, your input about weir looking to expand is consistent with lockheed martin, an engineer who worked at the site remaining anonymous, and zenn all say this a large production facility will be online  later in 2008.  Also considering Weir said to you he is going to release soon the permittivity testing strong indication he already is in the know and most likely is favorable or he would not be releasing it.  Anyways, once the financing is made public this or next week.  Then we should know shortly after that the permittivity results.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/05/06/phoenix-motorcars-to-use-electrovaya-battery-packs/comment-page-1/#comment-2006</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 11:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi mrjerry,

It&#039;s quite likely ZENN is preparing for further investment, which is a prudent thing to do. If it has obligations to invest when certain benchmarks are reached, and if those benchmarks are reached, it&#039;s a good idea to have this capital on hand to exploit the opportunity. It&#039;s possible, if we purely speculate, that ZENN has been given advance notice of positive permittivity results, but again -- pure speculation. We&#039;ll just have to sit tight and wait. I haven&#039;t heard anything from either corner, though I have heard that Weir is looking to expand production lines because he needs to ramp up output to meet what I suppose will be strong demand for a commercial production. Perhaps ZENN is going to use these funds to make a further investment. We&#039;ll have to wait and see.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi mrjerry,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite likely ZENN is preparing for further investment, which is a prudent thing to do. If it has obligations to invest when certain benchmarks are reached, and if those benchmarks are reached, it&#8217;s a good idea to have this capital on hand to exploit the opportunity. It&#8217;s possible, if we purely speculate, that ZENN has been given advance notice of positive permittivity results, but again &#8212; pure speculation. We&#8217;ll just have to sit tight and wait. I haven&#8217;t heard anything from either corner, though I have heard that Weir is looking to expand production lines because he needs to ramp up output to meet what I suppose will be strong demand for a commercial production. Perhaps ZENN is going to use these funds to make a further investment. We&#8217;ll have to wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/05/06/phoenix-motorcars-to-use-electrovaya-battery-packs/comment-page-1/#comment-2005</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a got a copy of the short term Zenn prospectus that was not suppose to be published, it was removed shortly after i saved it on my laptop.  The above blog was the cityZENN information. Anyways there will be a significant investment based on 2009-2010 objectives, cityZENN, new LSV, ZENNergy OEM, and ZENNenergy retrofit.  Price was at 4.50 number of shares was blank.  If was to take a guess, it be around 25 miliion + 18 month burn rate of 2 million, plus eestor payments, etc.  new LSV 4 seater etc.

I would expect shortly after that eestor will release the permittivity results as tyler heard  dick weirs would be giving the results shortly.  Tyler if you would like a copy of the prospectus let m

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like a got a copy of the short term Zenn prospectus that was not suppose to be published, it was removed shortly after i saved it on my laptop.  The above blog was the cityZENN information. Anyways there will be a significant investment based on 2009-2010 objectives, cityZENN, new LSV, ZENNergy OEM, and ZENNenergy retrofit.  Price was at 4.50 number of shares was blank.  If was to take a guess, it be around 25 miliion + 18 month burn rate of 2 million, plus eestor payments, etc.  new LSV 4 seater etc.</p>
<p>I would expect shortly after that eestor will release the permittivity results as tyler heard  dick weirs would be giving the results shortly.  Tyler if you would like a copy of the prospectus let m</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler

Have you read Zenn latest TSX filing?

I am pretty sure the cityZENN is Think City Kleiner Perkins 25% investment in Noth Americal Electric Car. The plan on building a North American Plant as you probably know, it only makes sense that they have to work thru Zenn exlcusive agreement with eestor.

Now I understand how Zenn will meet the fall of 2009 cityZenn with or without eestor. If eestor is not ready, they will incorporate lithiun-ion into the produce which think is already certified for.

Here Zenn latest tsx filing as of Fri may 9th 2008,

http://www.sedar.com &quot;Zenn&quot;

cityZENN

The cityZENN is planned to be a 100 percent electric, highway capable, fully certified car, meeting required occupant safety standards in the markets in which it will be sold. The development of the cityZENN would follow the same development concept as the ZENN LSV, whereby a host and OEM partner will be secured, the Corporation&#039;s engineering team will lead the &quot;electrification&quot; development, and the Corporation would look to the OEM to fully assemble the end product for the Corporation on an exclusive and &quot;turn-key&quot; basis. It is proposed that the cityZENN, incorporating

the EEStor EESU if and when available, would include the following features:

• A 4-passenger, fully certified highway-capable passenger vehicle

• A range of 400 km / 250 miles

• Top speed of 125 kph / 80 mph

• Rechargeable in less than five minutes

• On-board energy that is not impacted by cold weather

• Inherent safety features built into the EESU for punctures, crushing, submersion, etc.

• Zero emissions

• No noise

• Operating costs that are as little as 1/10th that of a traditional internal combustion engine vehicle

The Corporation is in negotiations to secure a suitable rolling chassis to be integrated into the cityZENN product. Since the cityZENN will be designed to travel at highway speeds, it will need to meet homologation standards applicable to each target market. Homologation standards for a highway-capable passenger vehicle are much more stringent than for LSVs and vary from country to country. There are generally two broad homologation standards worldwide, that of the European Union (EU), with general adoption around the world other than in North America, and the North American standard, which is used in the United States and Canada. By meeting the EU standards, the cityZENN could be sold throughout one of the largest global markets for small-to-midsize cars.

The distribution plan for the cityZENN will likely vary between different markets. Generally, management of the Corporation intends to leverage established retailer networks through strategic partners to the greatest extent possible. The Corporation also expects to heavily leverage its OEM partner’s existing retailer network to sell the cityZENN into the OEM partner&#039;s domestic (and possibly international) markets under a royalty agreement. The Corporation will also explore ways to utilize its current ZENN LSV retailers for the distribution of the cityZENN.

The cityZENN is planned to incorporate the EEStor EESU and is expected to be launched in late 2009. As the EEStor EESU remains in development, management of the Corporation has been

evaluating the use of conventional battery technologies in the cityZENN.

The cityZENN is currently being designed to work with both the EEStor EESU and current battery technologies. In the event the Corporation&#039;s cityZENN product needs to be equipped and marketed with a traditional battery pack, the result will be an electric vehicle with a reduced range (likely in the order of 100 – 150 Km), diminished performance in cold weather, longer charge times, a shorter battery life and increased weight and price, when compared to an EEStor EESU-equipped cityZENN. While the Corporation believes that a traditional battery powered cityZENN with reduced performance characteristics would still address an important and substantial market, it believes this would result in lower sales volumes when compared to a similar EEStor EESU-equipped cityZENN. See &quot;Risk Factors – EEStor Technology&quot;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler</p>
<p>Have you read Zenn latest TSX filing?</p>
<p>I am pretty sure the cityZENN is Think City Kleiner Perkins 25% investment in Noth Americal Electric Car. The plan on building a North American Plant as you probably know, it only makes sense that they have to work thru Zenn exlcusive agreement with eestor.</p>
<p>Now I understand how Zenn will meet the fall of 2009 cityZenn with or without eestor. If eestor is not ready, they will incorporate lithiun-ion into the produce which think is already certified for.</p>
<p>Here Zenn latest tsx filing as of Fri may 9th 2008,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sedar.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.sedar.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.sedar.com</a> &#8220;Zenn&#8221;</p>
<p>cityZENN</p>
<p>The cityZENN is planned to be a 100 percent electric, highway capable, fully certified car, meeting required occupant safety standards in the markets in which it will be sold. The development of the cityZENN would follow the same development concept as the ZENN LSV, whereby a host and OEM partner will be secured, the Corporation&#8217;s engineering team will lead the &#8220;electrification&#8221; development, and the Corporation would look to the OEM to fully assemble the end product for the Corporation on an exclusive and &#8220;turn-key&#8221; basis. It is proposed that the cityZENN, incorporating</p>
<p>the EEStor EESU if and when available, would include the following features:</p>
<p>• A 4-passenger, fully certified highway-capable passenger vehicle</p>
<p>• A range of 400 km / 250 miles</p>
<p>• Top speed of 125 kph / 80 mph</p>
<p>• Rechargeable in less than five minutes</p>
<p>• On-board energy that is not impacted by cold weather</p>
<p>• Inherent safety features built into the EESU for punctures, crushing, submersion, etc.</p>
<p>• Zero emissions</p>
<p>• No noise</p>
<p>• Operating costs that are as little as 1/10th that of a traditional internal combustion engine vehicle</p>
<p>The Corporation is in negotiations to secure a suitable rolling chassis to be integrated into the cityZENN product. Since the cityZENN will be designed to travel at highway speeds, it will need to meet homologation standards applicable to each target market. Homologation standards for a highway-capable passenger vehicle are much more stringent than for LSVs and vary from country to country. There are generally two broad homologation standards worldwide, that of the European Union (EU), with general adoption around the world other than in North America, and the North American standard, which is used in the United States and Canada. By meeting the EU standards, the cityZENN could be sold throughout one of the largest global markets for small-to-midsize cars.</p>
<p>The distribution plan for the cityZENN will likely vary between different markets. Generally, management of the Corporation intends to leverage established retailer networks through strategic partners to the greatest extent possible. The Corporation also expects to heavily leverage its OEM partner’s existing retailer network to sell the cityZENN into the OEM partner&#8217;s domestic (and possibly international) markets under a royalty agreement. The Corporation will also explore ways to utilize its current ZENN LSV retailers for the distribution of the cityZENN.</p>
<p>The cityZENN is planned to incorporate the EEStor EESU and is expected to be launched in late 2009. As the EEStor EESU remains in development, management of the Corporation has been</p>
<p>evaluating the use of conventional battery technologies in the cityZENN.</p>
<p>The cityZENN is currently being designed to work with both the EEStor EESU and current battery technologies. In the event the Corporation&#8217;s cityZENN product needs to be equipped and marketed with a traditional battery pack, the result will be an electric vehicle with a reduced range (likely in the order of 100 – 150 Km), diminished performance in cold weather, longer charge times, a shorter battery life and increased weight and price, when compared to an EEStor EESU-equipped cityZENN. While the Corporation believes that a traditional battery powered cityZENN with reduced performance characteristics would still address an important and substantial market, it believes this would result in lower sales volumes when compared to a similar EEStor EESU-equipped cityZENN. See &#8220;Risk Factors – EEStor Technology&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 02:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler

Looks like you be talking to Dick soon.  Did you get the call?

http://www.sedar.com &quot;Zenn&quot;

The Corporation intends to use the estimated net proceeds of the Offering to fund working capital and  general corporate purposes, including engineering and new product development, market development for new and existing offerings, strategic partnerships, joint ventures, acquisitions or investments should the appropriate opportunities arise.

http://tyler.blogware.com/ &quot;Fri 28 Mar 2008&quot;

Dick Weir, founder and CEO of EEStor, told me a few weeks ago that

there would be an announcement soon on permittivity of its barium

titanite powder, considered a major benchmark that would trigger future

payments to EEStor from ZENN, and I can only assume Kleiner Perkins as well.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler</p>
<p>Looks like you be talking to Dick soon.  Did you get the call?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sedar.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.sedar.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.sedar.com</a> &#8220;Zenn&#8221;</p>
<p>The Corporation intends to use the estimated net proceeds of the Offering to fund working capital and  general corporate purposes, including engineering and new product development, market development for new and existing offerings, strategic partnerships, joint ventures, acquisitions or investments should the appropriate opportunities arise.</p>
<p><a href="http://tyler.blogware.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/tyler.blogware.com');" rel="nofollow">http://tyler.blogware.com/</a> &#8220;Fri 28 Mar 2008&#8243;</p>
<p>Dick Weir, founder and CEO of EEStor, told me a few weeks ago that</p>
<p>there would be an announcement soon on permittivity of its barium</p>
<p>titanite powder, considered a major benchmark that would trigger future</p>
<p>payments to EEStor from ZENN, and I can only assume Kleiner Perkins as well.</p>
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