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	<title>Comments on: The ugly side of next-gen energy storage</title>
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		<title>By: Rick Blazecka</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/01/16/the-ugly-side-of-next-gen-energy-storage/comment-page-1/#comment-7703</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Blazecka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anonymous Says:
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:16 pm 
Reticle Carbon has in laboratory studies produced 7.5 kilowatt hours per kilogram of material..&quot;

It&#039;s important to get your figures correct when quoting energy density.
You should be saying 7.5 WATT HOURS/kg. NOT killowatts. There is a thousand fold difference!

Please don&#039;t get my hopes up like this, only to be smashed by the truth!
Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anonymous Says:<br />
January 23rd, 2008 at 7:16 pm<br />
Reticle Carbon has in laboratory studies produced 7.5 kilowatt hours per kilogram of material..&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to get your figures correct when quoting energy density.<br />
You should be saying 7.5 WATT HOURS/kg. NOT killowatts. There is a thousand fold difference!</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t get my hopes up like this, only to be smashed by the truth!<br />
Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/01/16/the-ugly-side-of-next-gen-energy-storage/comment-page-1/#comment-1743</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you aware that there is a new technology called Reticle Carbon?  It is a highly porous and conductive material which can be used in supercaps to store energy.  They can act as remote storage devices for solar and wind enery.  FYI: USPTO 6,350,520 Patented by Dr. Carl Nesbitt.

The low cost, high capacity ultra cap is here.

Reticle’s revolutionary high surface carbon technology offers significant advantage over currently available technologies. Therefore, for most applications, the company’’s competition promises to come from other companies developing high surface carbon capacitive deionization related technology.  Most of these are using Aerogel carbon, developed by Lawrence Livermore Labs.  The current surface of aerogel is approximately 400 m2/g as compared with 2,000 m2/g for Reticle Carbon©©. The current quoted cost for aerogel carbon is approximately $150/kg as compared with production cost of $10/kg for Reticle Carbon©©.

Capacitors are direct power storage devices. At present, metal-carbon composites are being manufactured in the automotive industry as a means of leveling the power draw in future electric cars. Such materials combine aluminum sheets and activated carbon in various configurations. The best in class capacity demonstrated to date is rather inefficient, storing a mere 7-10 kilowatt hours per kilogram of material. Given the cost of such materials, supercapacitors based on those materials are simply out of the question from an economic perspective, and the internal combustion engine continues to reign until the supercapacitor problem is solved.

Reticle Carbon has in laboratory studies produced 7.5 kilowatt hours per kilogram of material in a 2 cubic inch capacitor (rather minuscule in size by Reticle’’s standards). This was accomplished with a modest surface area grade of Reticle Carbon by Reticle standards (1200 square meters per gram). Reticle has manufactured much higher surface area carbon monoliths (2100 square meters per gram), and that higher surface area carbon has a higher power storage capacity. Because of the lightness in weight of Reticle Carbon, supercapacitors built from Reticle Carbon are considerably lighter than metal-carbon capacitors and therefore are ideally suited for mobile and transportation applications in which onboard weight is a prime consideration. This is not to be discounted. One of the primary markets for supercapacitors is the automotive market, a market that absolutely craves lightness in weight. Another is the airframe market, which craves lightness in weight even more.

We are presently working with several overseas investors on desalination.  We are open to partnerships with other qualified entities.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you aware that there is a new technology called Reticle Carbon?  It is a highly porous and conductive material which can be used in supercaps to store energy.  They can act as remote storage devices for solar and wind enery.  FYI: USPTO 6,350,520 Patented by Dr. Carl Nesbitt.</p>
<p>The low cost, high capacity ultra cap is here.</p>
<p>Reticle’s revolutionary high surface carbon technology offers significant advantage over currently available technologies. Therefore, for most applications, the company’’s competition promises to come from other companies developing high surface carbon capacitive deionization related technology.  Most of these are using Aerogel carbon, developed by Lawrence Livermore Labs.  The current surface of aerogel is approximately 400 m2/g as compared with 2,000 m2/g for Reticle Carbon©©. The current quoted cost for aerogel carbon is approximately $150/kg as compared with production cost of $10/kg for Reticle Carbon©©.</p>
<p>Capacitors are direct power storage devices. At present, metal-carbon composites are being manufactured in the automotive industry as a means of leveling the power draw in future electric cars. Such materials combine aluminum sheets and activated carbon in various configurations. The best in class capacity demonstrated to date is rather inefficient, storing a mere 7-10 kilowatt hours per kilogram of material. Given the cost of such materials, supercapacitors based on those materials are simply out of the question from an economic perspective, and the internal combustion engine continues to reign until the supercapacitor problem is solved.</p>
<p>Reticle Carbon has in laboratory studies produced 7.5 kilowatt hours per kilogram of material in a 2 cubic inch capacitor (rather minuscule in size by Reticle’’s standards). This was accomplished with a modest surface area grade of Reticle Carbon by Reticle standards (1200 square meters per gram). Reticle has manufactured much higher surface area carbon monoliths (2100 square meters per gram), and that higher surface area carbon has a higher power storage capacity. Because of the lightness in weight of Reticle Carbon, supercapacitors built from Reticle Carbon are considerably lighter than metal-carbon capacitors and therefore are ideally suited for mobile and transportation applications in which onboard weight is a prime consideration. This is not to be discounted. One of the primary markets for supercapacitors is the automotive market, a market that absolutely craves lightness in weight. Another is the airframe market, which craves lightness in weight even more.</p>
<p>We are presently working with several overseas investors on desalination.  We are open to partnerships with other qualified entities.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/01/16/the-ugly-side-of-next-gen-energy-storage/comment-page-1/#comment-1742</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was once (still is?) typical to the nascent green building industry, since the bankers always wanted to consider that the energy-innovative home would some day have to be put back out on the market, and the question arose, would there be another purchaser eccentric enough to want it, or would it stagnate at the bottom of the listings? That marketing aspect has swung around somewhat, with entire subdivisions of homes now offered having green amenities as standard equipment.

With all clean-leaning industries, as the the supply and demand markets grow simultaneously the stats should improve and we will have a more informed picture of both our potential resources and of the road ahead. They invested in these batteries and they provided them a few hiccups in return. I&#039;m sure this is the case with other systems they have prototyped or beta&#039;d. I&#039;ve worked with companies that have repeatedly attempted something new, failing each time, and loading dumpsters with jettisoned products that were never even salable, let alone sold.

We need to rebuild the ship while out at sea; to do so and still keep everyones comfy quality of lifestyle is stretching it a tad in my books. I assume multiple such sacrifices to be coming down the pipe toward us; Yeah our new ship might be ugly; but we need it done regardless, since the result if we don&#039;t promises to be far more hideous.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was once (still is?) typical to the nascent green building industry, since the bankers always wanted to consider that the energy-innovative home would some day have to be put back out on the market, and the question arose, would there be another purchaser eccentric enough to want it, or would it stagnate at the bottom of the listings? That marketing aspect has swung around somewhat, with entire subdivisions of homes now offered having green amenities as standard equipment.</p>
<p>With all clean-leaning industries, as the the supply and demand markets grow simultaneously the stats should improve and we will have a more informed picture of both our potential resources and of the road ahead. They invested in these batteries and they provided them a few hiccups in return. I&#8217;m sure this is the case with other systems they have prototyped or beta&#8217;d. I&#8217;ve worked with companies that have repeatedly attempted something new, failing each time, and loading dumpsters with jettisoned products that were never even salable, let alone sold.</p>
<p>We need to rebuild the ship while out at sea; to do so and still keep everyones comfy quality of lifestyle is stretching it a tad in my books. I assume multiple such sacrifices to be coming down the pipe toward us; Yeah our new ship might be ugly; but we need it done regardless, since the result if we don&#8217;t promises to be far more hideous.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, maybe some companies exist in order to serve as warnings for other companies. Avestor&#039;s story can&#039;t help but force more due diligence for other companies in the field.
Stephen_B

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, maybe some companies exist in order to serve as warnings for other companies. Avestor&#8217;s story can&#8217;t help but force more due diligence for other companies in the field.<br />
Stephen_B</p>
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