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	<title>Comments on: EEStor partners with Lockheed Martin; Topfer returns</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/01/09/eestor-partners-with-lockheed-martin-topfer-returns/comment-page-1/#comment-1728</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 08:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3.5kV capacitors? I have watched EEStor for 3 years now. Barium Titanate? If they could do it we would see prototype cars with astonishing fuel economy NOW.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3.5kV capacitors? I have watched EEStor for 3 years now. Barium Titanate? If they could do it we would see prototype cars with astonishing fuel economy NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/01/09/eestor-partners-with-lockheed-martin-topfer-returns/comment-page-1/#comment-1709</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ZENN look to be on the same schedule than LM :

http://www.northernlife.ca/News/LocalNews/2008/03-18-08-green-jobstop.asp?NLStory=03-18-08-green-jobstop

At the bottom of the article:

“ZENN is receiving the new technology from our partnership with EEStor by &lt;strong&gt;late 2008&lt;/strong&gt; and I expect it will be tested through 2009. If all goes well our vehicle can go toe-to-toe with internal combustion vehicles at a much cheaper price. Affordability is as important to us as being green,”

Catharine Scrigeour, public affairs, ZENN Motor company.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZENN look to be on the same schedule than LM :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.northernlife.ca/News/LocalNews/2008/03-18-08-green-jobstop.asp?NLStory=03-18-08-green-jobstop" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.northernlife.ca');" rel="nofollow">http://www.northernlife.ca/News/LocalNews/2008/03-18-08-green-jobstop.asp?NLStory=03-18-08-green-jobstop</a></p>
<p>At the bottom of the article:</p>
<p>“ZENN is receiving the new technology from our partnership with EEStor by <strong>late 2008</strong> and I expect it will be tested through 2009. If all goes well our vehicle can go toe-to-toe with internal combustion vehicles at a much cheaper price. Affordability is as important to us as being green,”</p>
<p>Catharine Scrigeour, public affairs, ZENN Motor company.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/01/09/eestor-partners-with-lockheed-martin-topfer-returns/comment-page-1/#comment-1726</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the link. ZENN claims that EEStor is &quot;pretty bullish&quot; on delivering energy storage units this year.

http://www.news.com/Zenn-swaps-motors-in-latest-electric-cars/2100-11389_3-6228749.html

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the link. ZENN claims that EEStor is &#8220;pretty bullish&#8221; on delivering energy storage units this year.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com/Zenn-swaps-motors-in-latest-electric-cars/2100-11389_3-6228749.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.news.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com/Zenn-swaps-motors-in-latest-electric-cars/2100-11389_3-6228749.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/01/09/eestor-partners-with-lockheed-martin-topfer-returns/comment-page-1/#comment-1725</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much agree...

As someone who is familiar with the techniques and chemistry behind EEStor, I am very doubtful about their claims.  I have been tracking them for some time and upon hearing the news that Lockheed-Martin was partnering with them would, on the surface, seem to give credibility.  But as you read through the answers supplied by  Mr. Liebman of Lockheed, the responses are the same party line from EEStor.  The comments from Liebman reveal that Lockheed has not tested the materials, nor seen working prototypes.  The sense is that Lockheed doesn&#039;t want to miss out on a potential up-coming technology, which is very typical of big business.

The focus seems to be on programmatics, such as the possible applications and not the true functionality- quite a signicant difference.  Also, there has been no mention of an exchange of money at this time.  If Lockheed has actually put large funds into EEStor, rather than just a paper agreement, would clarify things.  The limited &quot;results&quot; that EEStor has revealed (and that they say are in line with their scheduled development) are that the base powder, barium titanate, has been produced to high purity.  The testing of the powder shows nothing about how it is combined with the other materials and that it demonstrates a high energy storage ability.  The powders are part of a &quot;balloon&quot; problem in that as one electrical parameter is improved, another is corrupted- that is the unfortunate chemistry: push in one side of the balloon, the other side pops out.  Those that have experience in high-K materials and perovskites will understand this.   I am surprised EEStor has been able to win over Lockheed, Zenn, and Kleiner/Perkins-  they have not done their technical homework, but rather have let the business people become enamored with a great sell job.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much agree&#8230;</p>
<p>As someone who is familiar with the techniques and chemistry behind EEStor, I am very doubtful about their claims.  I have been tracking them for some time and upon hearing the news that Lockheed-Martin was partnering with them would, on the surface, seem to give credibility.  But as you read through the answers supplied by  Mr. Liebman of Lockheed, the responses are the same party line from EEStor.  The comments from Liebman reveal that Lockheed has not tested the materials, nor seen working prototypes.  The sense is that Lockheed doesn&#8217;t want to miss out on a potential up-coming technology, which is very typical of big business.</p>
<p>The focus seems to be on programmatics, such as the possible applications and not the true functionality- quite a signicant difference.  Also, there has been no mention of an exchange of money at this time.  If Lockheed has actually put large funds into EEStor, rather than just a paper agreement, would clarify things.  The limited &#8220;results&#8221; that EEStor has revealed (and that they say are in line with their scheduled development) are that the base powder, barium titanate, has been produced to high purity.  The testing of the powder shows nothing about how it is combined with the other materials and that it demonstrates a high energy storage ability.  The powders are part of a &#8220;balloon&#8221; problem in that as one electrical parameter is improved, another is corrupted- that is the unfortunate chemistry: push in one side of the balloon, the other side pops out.  Those that have experience in high-K materials and perovskites will understand this.   I am surprised EEStor has been able to win over Lockheed, Zenn, and Kleiner/Perkins-  they have not done their technical homework, but rather have let the business people become enamored with a great sell job.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/01/09/eestor-partners-with-lockheed-martin-topfer-returns/comment-page-1/#comment-1727</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another mysterious name like EEStor is EPOD based in Kelowna who claim to have found a similar magic formula for charge speed and capacity. Yet you don&#039;t find their name anywhere on the cleantech sites.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another mysterious name like EEStor is EPOD based in Kelowna who claim to have found a similar magic formula for charge speed and capacity. Yet you don&#8217;t find their name anywhere on the cleantech sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lockheed is massive, so they could easily hand over a few million in seed money for the rights to military applications without even needing to be assured of its viablility considering the potential for say....troop portable rail guns, troop portable lasers, long term loitering surveilance drones ...the potential is massive and I am sure Colon Powell is well aware of these.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lockheed is massive, so they could easily hand over a few million in seed money for the rights to military applications without even needing to be assured of its viablility considering the potential for say&#8230;.troop portable rail guns, troop portable lasers, long term loitering surveilance drones &#8230;the potential is massive and I am sure Colon Powell is well aware of these.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/01/09/eestor-partners-with-lockheed-martin-topfer-returns/comment-page-1/#comment-1723</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do wish the blogger had pressed the Lockheed rep a bit more. &quot;How can you be so sure, given the nature of the claim, that the products work as advertised if you&#039;ve never seen a prototype?&quot; would have been a good question.

Still hopeful though.

Stephen

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wish the blogger had pressed the Lockheed rep a bit more. &#8220;How can you be so sure, given the nature of the claim, that the products work as advertised if you&#8217;ve never seen a prototype?&#8221; would have been a good question.</p>
<p>Still hopeful though.</p>
<p>Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Heaven have mercy,&quot; he thought. &quot;Can it be that I&#039;m a fool? I&#039;d have never guessed it, and not a soul must know. Am I unfit to be the minister? It would never do to let on that I can&#039;t see the cloth.&quot;

&quot;Don&#039;t hesitate to tell us what you think of it,&quot; said one of the weavers.

&quot;Oh, it&#039;s beautiful -it&#039;s enchanting.&quot; The old minister peered through his spectacles. &quot;Such a pattern, what colors!&quot; I&#039;ll be sure to tell the Emperor how delighted I am with it.&quot;

&quot;We&#039;re pleased to hear that,&quot; the swindlers said. They proceeded to name all the colors and to explain the intricate pattern. The old minister paid the closest attention, so that he could tell it all to the Emperor. And so he did.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Heaven have mercy,&#8221; he thought. &#8220;Can it be that I&#8217;m a fool? I&#8217;d have never guessed it, and not a soul must know. Am I unfit to be the minister? It would never do to let on that I can&#8217;t see the cloth.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t hesitate to tell us what you think of it,&#8221; said one of the weavers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, it&#8217;s beautiful -it&#8217;s enchanting.&#8221; The old minister peered through his spectacles. &#8220;Such a pattern, what colors!&#8221; I&#8217;ll be sure to tell the Emperor how delighted I am with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re pleased to hear that,&#8221; the swindlers said. They proceeded to name all the colors and to explain the intricate pattern. The old minister paid the closest attention, so that he could tell it all to the Emperor. And so he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/01/09/eestor-partners-with-lockheed-martin-topfer-returns/comment-page-1/#comment-1721</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>which is just as strategic in the arena of getting off fossils (in as well as outside office)

Emil M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>which is just as strategic in the arena of getting off fossils (in as well as outside office)</p>
<p>Emil M</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.cleanbreak.ca/2008/01/09/eestor-partners-with-lockheed-martin-topfer-returns/comment-page-1/#comment-1720</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, please!

And its in Texas so Bush&#039;s cronies can watch it!

This is not an energy creation, its energy storage.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, please!</p>
<p>And its in Texas so Bush&#8217;s cronies can watch it!</p>
<p>This is not an energy creation, its energy storage.</p>
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