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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Postscript:

My comments above refer to the situation in the United States (since that is what the WSJ article was referring to). The situation in Canada is somewhat different in terms of the role of government incentives. They are high for producers in some provinces (when combined with Federal incentives), but at least the Federal Government and some of the provinces have designed their incentives to shrink if oil prices rise -- in contrast with the United States, where no such adjustments are built into the incentives on offer.

Ron Steenblik

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Postscript:</p>
<p>My comments above refer to the situation in the United States (since that is what the WSJ article was referring to). The situation in Canada is somewhat different in terms of the role of government incentives. They are high for producers in some provinces (when combined with Federal incentives), but at least the Federal Government and some of the provinces have designed their incentives to shrink if oil prices rise &#8212; in contrast with the United States, where no such adjustments are built into the incentives on offer.</p>
<p>Ron Steenblik</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,

You state: &quot;Would be curious to find out how much of that affordability of ethanol is due to government incentives ... &quot;

You might want to have a look at our studies on this issue. The short answer is: a lot:

&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalsubsidies.org/article.php3?id_article=6&amp;var_mode=calcul&quot;    rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Biofuels — At What Cost?  Government support for ethanol and biodiesel in the United States&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

We have just released a report comparing government support policies across several OECD countries (Australia, Canada, the EU, Switzerland and the USA):

&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalsubsidies.org/IMG/pdf/biofuel_synthesis_report_21_9_07_final.pdf&quot;    rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Biofuels — At What Cost?  Government support for ethanol and biodiesel in selected OECD countries&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

Ethanol benefits from a $0.51 per gallon tax credit at the federal level (plus another $0.10 per gallon if you are a small producer), plus subsidies or fuel-tax concessions at the state level that in some states (e.g., Kentucky) add as much as $1.00 per gallon in income for producers.

You then say, &quot;(mind you, it&#039;s not like the oil industry doesn&#039;t receive its own subsidies)&quot;

They do, but most analyses of those estimate the value of their subsidies is more in the neighborhood of 3% to 10% of the market value, not 50% (or even 100% in a few states) of the market value for ethanol. If ethanol is to become a significant component of the USA&#039;s gasoline pool, such rates of subsidization cannot be sustained.

And &quot;In any event, claims that ethanol will contribute to higher gasoline prices are being proven wrong.&quot;

The current slump in the price of ethanol is due to a boom and bust cycle in the industry: there was a surge in construction of new facilities, starting in 2005, and these new plants are now starting to produce. The laws of short-term supply and demand naturally mean that prices will soften.

Over the long run, however, what matters is the fundamentals, especially the price of feedstock, and that is likely to remain high, especially if the industry continues to expand. The fact that some biomass can be produced relatively cheaply (e.g., for some future cellulosic-ethanol manufacturing plants) is neither here nor there: what matters is the return required for owners of the land, and whether there are other claims on that biomass -- as for electric power generation. There is a lot of hype surrounding ethanol of all stripes. What we need is more realism in this debate, not blinkered optimism.

Also don&#039;t forget to adjust your price differentials for differences in energy density between ethanol and gasoline. Normally, one would expect there to be at least a 30% discount in the price of ethanol (compared with the price of unleaded gasoline) for it to compete on an energy basis.

Ron Steenblik

Director of Research

Global Subsidies Initiative

of the International Institute for Sustainable Development

Geneva



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,</p>
<p>You state: &#8220;Would be curious to find out how much of that affordability of ethanol is due to government incentives &#8230; &#8221;</p>
<p>You might want to have a look at our studies on this issue. The short answer is: a lot:</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://www.globalsubsidies.org/article.php3?id_article=6&#038;var_mode=calcul" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.globalsubsidies.org');"    rel="nofollow">Biofuels — At What Cost?  Government support for ethanol and biodiesel in the United States</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>We have just released a report comparing government support policies across several OECD countries (Australia, Canada, the EU, Switzerland and the USA):</p>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://www.globalsubsidies.org/IMG/pdf/biofuel_synthesis_report_21_9_07_final.pdf" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.globalsubsidies.org');"    rel="nofollow">Biofuels — At What Cost?  Government support for ethanol and biodiesel in selected OECD countries</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Ethanol benefits from a $0.51 per gallon tax credit at the federal level (plus another $0.10 per gallon if you are a small producer), plus subsidies or fuel-tax concessions at the state level that in some states (e.g., Kentucky) add as much as $1.00 per gallon in income for producers.</p>
<p>You then say, &#8220;(mind you, it&#8217;s not like the oil industry doesn&#8217;t receive its own subsidies)&#8221;</p>
<p>They do, but most analyses of those estimate the value of their subsidies is more in the neighborhood of 3% to 10% of the market value, not 50% (or even 100% in a few states) of the market value for ethanol. If ethanol is to become a significant component of the USA&#8217;s gasoline pool, such rates of subsidization cannot be sustained.</p>
<p>And &#8220;In any event, claims that ethanol will contribute to higher gasoline prices are being proven wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>The current slump in the price of ethanol is due to a boom and bust cycle in the industry: there was a surge in construction of new facilities, starting in 2005, and these new plants are now starting to produce. The laws of short-term supply and demand naturally mean that prices will soften.</p>
<p>Over the long run, however, what matters is the fundamentals, especially the price of feedstock, and that is likely to remain high, especially if the industry continues to expand. The fact that some biomass can be produced relatively cheaply (e.g., for some future cellulosic-ethanol manufacturing plants) is neither here nor there: what matters is the return required for owners of the land, and whether there are other claims on that biomass &#8212; as for electric power generation. There is a lot of hype surrounding ethanol of all stripes. What we need is more realism in this debate, not blinkered optimism.</p>
<p>Also don&#8217;t forget to adjust your price differentials for differences in energy density between ethanol and gasoline. Normally, one would expect there to be at least a 30% discount in the price of ethanol (compared with the price of unleaded gasoline) for it to compete on an energy basis.</p>
<p>Ron Steenblik</p>
<p>Director of Research</p>
<p>Global Subsidies Initiative</p>
<p>of the International Institute for Sustainable Development</p>
<p>Geneva</p>
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